OLSer babycat1216's SnagAJob Vote request - January 2009
Pre-face:
babycat1216 has a tendency to have her threads deleted if she's been called out for her unethical voting methods, so if the above link leads you to nowheresville, leave me a comment as I have the most pertinent posts of that thread archived on my computer. I'll gladly post them here, if necessary. It is just quite lengthy, as you can imagine, if you do see the thread linked.
Originally posted by myself on my OLS blog in Feb. 2009. Re-posting here and adding a few details:
I recently witnessed the use of an auto-voter in a contest. Fortunately, I was not involved, personally, so really no skin
off my teeth.
However, there was, of course, an innocent victim.
While
that, in itself, is disturbing to me, what is most disheartening for me is that
fellow OLS members created such
a program and contributed to the breech of integrity of this contest. I don't do
voting contests...too many "games" being played and more work involved in them
than I wish to devote.Call me dumb, or blind, or just plain naive, but I had no clue of this sort
of "games" were being played. This has left me with a heavy heart and great
sadness, not to mention my loss of respect for ALL of the players involved.
Sad, sad times when one must stoop down to this level to "win". Just needed to
get this off my chest and hopefully once again remind those that are venturing
into this sort of contest to keep in mind that not all "voters" have YOUR (the
entrant's) best interest in mind, and those that you think you can trust....you
really cannot. And also a reminder to "check out" who you are devoting your
"voting time" to. Google and other search engines are wonderful tools and you
can find out alot of things about the entrant (and those who are supposedly
voting/supporting you) by using these search engines. If someone is wanting
you to "invest" your time to keep their vote scores "up" , don't you want to
"invest" your time for someone that deserves it? And if you notice someone is
consistently in these kinds of contests, trust me, they have learned how to
manipulate the system. It is scary, as I saw this auto-voter, live, as it was
taking place. I have the proof saved on my computer, as does another member who
witnessed it....so it makes me very afraid to know that most likely this tactic
will be used in the future. Just because a person puts up a vote request on any
of my favorite forums, does not entitle them to my "vote time", and I hope that
all who read this feel the same. Also keep in mind that those who are so openly
(and privately via PM) stating their support for you, as an entrant, may not be
as supportive as they appear.
DID YOU KNOW???....
That OLS member resident computer guru fastfreddie1959 solicited the help of OLS member VALENTINE to create and implement an auto-voter program to help babycat1216 win the above linked contest?
A few of us have noticed some patterns develop while watching some of the vote contests over the years. Trust me when I say that we have seen quite ALOT of funny business in those contests that we monitored. But we have noticed far more in babycat1216's vote request contests than all the others combined. Things such as advising people to create multiple accounts and to use multiple emails in order to gain extra votes in contests where only 1 vote per person is allowed. Things such as giving advice on how to clear your computer of "cookies" in order to get in another vote. This was the first I had seen an autovoter in use, LIVE. as it was happening. I saw it LIVE, as the autovoter was being tested about 1:00 am the day (or perhaps two days) before the contest was set to end (approximately around the time VALENTINE posted in the OLS thread.)
I saw it actually IMPLEMENTED in the wee hours of the morning the contest was set to end.
The rapper video, I do not think was using an auto-voter, initially. He had a very nice following of people on YouTube and was promoting his video in other areas of media. I think he began using an auto-voter when he found that babycat was promoting her video on a sweepstakes website that has over 150,000 potential voters.
This, in itself, poses "ethical/unethical" voting considerations, IMO.
The third contestant appeared to be just an average person who unwittingly found herself in a cut-throat competition who had no clue about the "dark side" of these sorts of contests.
Go to OLS and look for a member named upsfedex-stop-here.
This person originally joined under the user name IWANTITALL, but when someone else caught on to the "alias" and started thread stalking her, she requested a name change. Take a look at her posts. The ONLY time this member has posted is when babycat1216 has been in a vote contest. This is the ONLY time that username makes an appearance on OLS, and I'd say 99% of her posts are in babycat's threads. The other 1% are in other vote request threads to make it appear that this is a legit person. Now upsfedex-stop-here did do a vote request quite some time ago on brickfish (this is a picture/photo voting website). The picture that upsfedex-stop-here posted to be voted on was a picture of an American flag, taken in Las Vegas at, coincidentally, the same time that babycat1216 and her hubby, Tommy, were vacationing there (which, ironically, was an unethical vote contest win, as well).
babycat's husband, Tommy, is also a "casual" member of OLS, only making posts in her threads when she needs to bump it up.
dakins64 and ubuying are major partners in babycat1216's thread-bumping at OLS. If you watch the forums for a while, you'll see it every day. Whether intentional or not, you'll find that their thread-bumping is timed where one takes the early morning shift of thread-bumping, then the other does it again in the afternoon/late evening. They spend an awful lot of time voting and posting their votes, but yet, have never asked for votes themselves? It is also a possiblity that at least one of these is a former babycat "unethical supporter" that was banned and came back under a different user name or one of her aliases. I arive at this possiblity, as this one person was not only banned around the same time that one of the user names above became a member, but was also immediatly "seen" in the vote request forums.
I'm all about helping fellow OLS members, but just find this really odd, especially on a daily basis, almost like clockwork.
As I stated up above, there were a few of us watching this contest. ff1959 indicated by private PM to one of us that he did not have the know-how of how to "make" an auto-voter bot program, but he did know of another OLSer who did.
The next day, in the above mentioned vote request thread, a person who has NEVER posted in a vote request thread posted in babycat's thread. VALENTINE. And this was during the time span that the vote percentages were increasing on a very rapid basis (like the equivalent of 100 votes per minute) in babycat's favor.
Well, it did not take much to put two and two together...the info my friend received from ff1959, as well as seeing the unusual "vote supporter" who is rarely seen in the vote request forum (but who often posts computer related stuff in the computer forum) in babycat's thread.
Just to try and verify our instincts, I sent a PM to VALENTINE right after the auto-voter had finished running:
VALENTINE
vbmenu_register("postmenu_",
true);
Master Sweeper
Joined: Nov
2002
Posts: 3,044
Location: Visit my OLS album for some free background
tiles.
Re:
Good job "voting"
Quote:
Originally Posted by margarita_mama"I hope the dramatically rapid percentage change doesn't end up
getting
babycat1216 DQ'd."Yea me too, you have to spread it around between all the videos
for it to work. I notice the amount has jumped considerably since 2am, so
someone else is slamming just "just" her video, it's best to do her, marriage,
rap, then her 2x, then rap....like that, then they can't really say one Ip
slammed it.A stealth Ip works great too but that is a bit too techy for most
voters to do.I did not notice an end date though, could it run forever?Last good
thing I see is that they way they have it set to swing to 100 percent, they
don't have to bother with counting votes or looking at Ip votes either. It makes
for a lazy voting process on snapjobs end.I did notice the rapper votes being
increased dramatically the other night too, so babycat isn't the only one
getting mass votes but the rap votes seemed to show up in big spurt counts in a
few hours. If you see an end date to the contest, pm me ok?Thanks VaLI felt so bad for the janitor video, poor man kids can be so gross
especially when they throw up at school.....uck! LOL!Now, I understand that it may be hard to get the total picture just seeing my one little bitty PM from VALENTINE. And that's OK. However, this is not the only incidence.
Again, I stress that if you are considering venturing in to vote contests, please check out all of the entrants, if possible. Keep an eye on OLS for the vote request threads that may give an indicator of who you are up against. If you find yourself up against this person, or any of the other "vote queens", do not lose hope.
Just leave me a comment here and I'll see what can be done, ETHICALLY, to help you out.
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5 comments:
Excellent post ! The vote whores should be ashamed of themselves, as should Valentine and FastFreddie.
I know for a fact that babycat was called out at Sweepstakes Advantage over a year ago for her scheming tactics, after which she voluntarily left. She should be sent camping from OLS, too ! OLS Facebook is nothing more than a vote whoring site.
But it is to be expected, with Brent having once again abandoned the site to do God knows what, nobody is running the show.
Prezli used to keep people in line, but she has mysteriously disappeared - check her profile !
I have to wonder how many of the brave souls in the Upgrade thread who are questioning Brent's behavior will find themselves camping should he ever show up again. LOL !
I know for a fact that the above post is true. I also know that FastFreddie is a no-life-having trouble maker who is in cahoots with various members of SA(the 40ish 80's rocker chick whose husband wears a fanny pack)who have been banned from OLS. These twits do nothing but sit, watch, and cause trouble on OLS, and then run back to SA to post reports about their sneakiness(as if other OLSers aren't over there entering contests and see them and their "sneakiness."
FastFreddie regularly called KB Social a "fat nasty, nosy bitch" to me via PM. He said she was jealous of his "lifetime membership" status and his relationship with Brent. Apparently, a group of OLSers were suppose to pick FastFreddie up and bring him to the Florida convention(?)but stood him up instead. That led to PMs of coke usage by specific OLSers at these conventions, from him to me.
I quickly learned that FastFreddie was full of shit after he declared that Brent would ban certain members that FF did not like. The full of shit part comes in because one, one of the doomed was a mod(KB Social) and two, the others that were considered doomed are still posting to this day. Once I called him out on his bullshit, he quit PMing me and wanted to be left alone.
SA is no better. I made a major faux pas. Well, a couple of them. My first faux pas was asking questions about why all of the hate for OLS and the second mistake was taking up for OLS when a member over there name Cin was bashing Glo_bug, as well as a few others, openly over there. After that I was belittled, insulted, stalked, and attempted to be tricked into giving my personal info via a members-only contest.
Another SA member took it upon herself to slam my PM inbox with accusations about OLS. Apparently, several OLS women were involved in pimping out pics of their children for money. She said they were poor, white women who were initially tricked into emailing innocent pics of their kids and coerced into emailing more with threat of the feds being called.
Keep in mind that I was inundated with all of this info from a single, computer-question PM to FF and then after asking him if there were any other sweeps sites like OLS.
And I have to ask...wth is up with Valentine saying poor kids are gross?? Am I reading that right?
driven873 AKA Jessica Miller is a big cheater too
I saw where ginny and kutty called out driven for saying she had voted(returned votes) but in reality she did not. Driven made a passive aggressive post in the "what are you thinking" thread and then ginny came in right after, with her own what's what post LOL Priceless. The stupid bitch(Driven) actually thought people were dumb enough to NOT see her faux pas and her accidentally outing herself with said faux pas.
And what's with Driven's fascination with herself? Check out her profile. Various pics of herself, posing as if she's some kind of hot babe. Nothing more unattractive(other than being a filthy lying cheater) than a woman who tries too hard. I've seen prettier faces on skanky hookers.
Well, I had a good long post typed out and apparently I blab too much as file request was too large.
I wanted to say brava to you for pointing this out, I apparently live with my head in the sand because while I knew there was unethical behavior I assumed voting down and vote whoring.
Hearing about FF (akin to the Messiah according to some OLS'ers) shocked me as did Valentine though I don't know much at all about her.
Ugh nothing is worth one's integrity, and hopefully they will realize it sooner rather than later, but if not, it won't be my conscience keeping me up at night.
Thanks for having the bravery to post this. Since I a) don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me, b) have no problem voicing my opinions good and bad and c) probably have rocks for brains I won't comment anonymously.
I am dovie on OLS and dddiva just about everywhere else on the WWW.
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